tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post8091665197928255622..comments2024-02-27T10:13:43.437-05:00Comments on Self Realization: Are you kidding Dr. Zakir Naik?Vinayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-165221842838526202013-12-07T21:53:04.132-05:002013-12-07T21:53:04.132-05:00thanks a lot Kishore for your comment, I agree wit...thanks a lot Kishore for your comment, I agree with you that Dr. Naik loves to demean other religion to prove that his religion is better than others, this approach widens rift which is already present between people following different faiths, it seems rather than bridging the gaps he is interested in breaking the bridges and we all need to oppose these type of attempts, no matter who is doing this, let's keep opposing such views wherever we come across them, at least we can do this much to stop them from ruining our society. Thanks again for sharing your opinion.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-69221632779145188392013-12-07T05:03:42.644-05:002013-12-07T05:03:42.644-05:00@Vinay, Dr. Zakir Naik, makes his religion better ...@Vinay, Dr. Zakir Naik, makes his religion better by defaming other religious faith and the people who follow his words encourage these things, a good preacher will never defame other religious faith. He takes advantage of the crowd who are listening to him, as because these people enjoy criticizing other religious faith.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562679514145073678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-67874399523469392602013-11-29T20:19:26.513-05:002013-11-29T20:19:26.513-05:00Thanks Kishore for your reply, your questions are ...Thanks Kishore for your reply, your questions are very valid but when someone decides to follow someone or some religion or some book blindly then such questions and doubts don't even come to their mind...even if they come they justify them by using some lines from the book or something else. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-5443064098785159062013-11-27T21:34:45.576-05:002013-11-27T21:34:45.576-05:00This Dr. Zakir Naik computer memory device says wo...This Dr. Zakir Naik computer memory device says women should not mingle with men, what about women physicians and nurses? he doesn't think of separate multi-speciality hospitals for women and men is not practically realzable...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562679514145073678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-66922645488893040322012-05-13T20:50:26.967-04:002012-05-13T20:50:26.967-04:00There are many people like him in all religions......There are many people like him in all religions...so if we have to file petition we have to do for all of them... singling out this fellow will make him hero...we should confront him logically wherever possible and try to expose his lies...Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-43406129342855786382012-05-13T20:29:32.969-04:002012-05-13T20:29:32.969-04:00Can the petition be filed against this guy? Specia...Can the petition be filed against this guy? Specially because his speeches are clearly shown to be of hatred towards other religions. Such people should definitely be banned from giving hatred speeches in public.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04704411914250616278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-40525850607907484012012-05-13T08:13:19.556-04:002012-05-13T08:13:19.556-04:00Thanks again Suv for your comment. I know that he ...Thanks again Suv for your comment. I know that he uses example of 2+2=4 to show how his religion cracked the secret code about God and others got wrong (he claims that others claim 2+2=5)..but he forgot that 3-1, 5-3, 1+3 and many many combinations like this can give the same answer and all are right...Atheism is growing fast and I think its attractive alternative for people who are totally disappointed with organized religion and its activities..people mistake them as religion haters where as they try to help religion to reform and show its shortcomings...they were and are important pillars society...Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-10760276974702516332012-05-13T07:41:10.331-04:002012-05-13T07:41:10.331-04:00Thanks a lot Cyril for your remark. I wonder India...Thanks a lot Cyril for your remark. I wonder Indian government who is normally very sensitive about such remarks ignored this fellow and his activities??? <br /><br />As Suv already mentioned he tries to project him as progressive but his views and ideas are about taking whole society backwards and we all need to fight these type of people from any religion or organization...I don't have any problem people preaching their religion or explaining their scriptures but spreading such a wrong information and hatred should not be allowed at any cost.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-9045062888483834602012-05-13T03:12:19.366-04:002012-05-13T03:12:19.366-04:00After your blogpost I looked more closely into thi...After your blogpost I looked more closely into this fellow and his beliefs. In my first reply I had said that we just need to ignore this chap. Upon further research, I think you are on the right track by exposing him. Many years ago, he appeared to me as just another nut job, and hence I had said that we just need to ignore him. However, after further research, I agree with you, he does need to be confronted. Even though he dresses up in a suit and pretends to be progressive, it is all a veneer, a veneer behind which a much more hateful reality exists. I will point to Cyril's comments below, and as it turns out he is 100% right. I myself am an atheist, and even though atheists are one of the most marginalized communities in the world, I for one do not take lightly when other peoples religious freedoms are at risk. This guy pretends to be a knowledgeable and progressive guy, but in reality his whole message is "my religion is right, and your religion is wrong". He even goes on to say in some other interviews (easily found by Googling) that it is perfectly okay for some Islamic republics to deny other religions to practice their faith (in which he makes a bogus analogy with arithmetic, as if religious beliefs are as fundamentally obvious as arithmetic) while at the same time raising a hew and cry about his own free speech rights and arguing against his banishment form UK and Canada by the same token. This sort of hypocracy cannot be condoned in a civilized world. I am surprised that the Indian government which is so quick to cancel Salman Rushdie's talks in book fairs, has turned a blind eye to so many things this guy has said. I too am not a big fan of censorship, but fairness must be upheld by our government. Having found out more about this guy, I commend you Vinay, for at least exposing his false logic and dogma. Rational people must stand up and call him out on his BS, turning a blind eye will only help further legitimize his falsehoods, at the very least the masses should have access to criticism of his faulty logic.Suvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16176375231887343436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-81359298347478027282012-05-12T21:23:01.453-04:002012-05-12T21:23:01.453-04:00boy...the link you posted is amazing...I cant beli...boy...the link you posted is amazing...I cant believe that he studied medicine and even managed to get a degree also...please watch the video mentioned in Suv's reply and just see how he fools and misguides his audiences..even women sitting in his audience are hypnotized and listen to insulting remarks quietly...we need to confront people like him before they become unstoppable...thanks Suv for sharing it.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-26124392059574705972012-05-12T19:45:57.837-04:002012-05-12T19:45:57.837-04:00Zakir Naik is not just full of air and hyperbole, ...Zakir Naik is not just full of air and hyperbole, he's also a hate monger who can say things like 'All muslims should be terrorists'. His message is that of hate and death. In his influence I've seen liberal muslims turn into dadi-toting hardliners.<br /><br />He's from the same breed as that of zawahiri and osama, and one day he will cause major destruction in India if he's not reigned in.<br /><br />He's already banned in UK, Europe and the US for his hateful and incendiary speech.Cyrilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-35038980546303067302012-05-12T16:12:51.535-04:002012-05-12T16:12:51.535-04:00I did a cursory Google search and here is what I f...I did a cursory Google search and here is what I found:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa55QrMhjDk<br /><br />In all fairness he does say that "today it is possible with DNA technology", something he hadn't said in earlier videos I saw. This one seems to be a comparatively newer video. No doubt people had brought up DNA evidence and he has since modified his arguments. However even then he says polygamy is allowed and polygamy is not because "the rules are for all time". I don't even understand what that means, if the paternity is the issue, and if that has been solved with modern technology a fair and logical system would take that into account. No doubt he understands that too.... hence he gives some other bullcrap reasons (which he hadn't made in previous videos as far as I remember). I won't spoil the entertainment value by stating his other arguments and would encourage you to see the video in its entirety. All I will say is that it will amaze you with shear ad hoc proclamations and made up "science". I will only say one thing to disprove his "modern scientific" arguments against polyandry. It is a well known fact that lesbians have historically had the fewest incidences of sexually transmitted diseases. That is all. If you see the video you will know which specific argument of his I'm referring to.Suvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16176375231887343436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-85025110396088430832012-05-12T16:00:30.173-04:002012-05-12T16:00:30.173-04:00Logically for me it was plain convenience for the ...Logically for me it was plain convenience for the male to make this law of many (multiple) wives!<br />The Religion of Islam was born in the desert as was Christianity!<br />Both religions allow multiple marriages but more so in Islam.<br />This requirement was born out of necessity(so felt)as travel and distances between places in desserts were far and way between!To control sexual desires was difficult or you had to opt for the camels..which many did!<br />This is a mere male chauvinistic law of self justification!<br /><br />...well there are many points but to mention one specific one!cmvairalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02699676887884625721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-77578980748515350702012-05-12T11:40:20.200-04:002012-05-12T11:40:20.200-04:00Thanks a lot Suv for your comment. I totally agree...Thanks a lot Suv for your comment. I totally agree with your opinion when you say that its best to ignore these people and not to give them any publicity. I did the same thing when I heard his talk for the first time in India almost more than a decade ago. After that his influence grew in India, he became very popular figure and was also featured in some talk shows where he expressed his views. I was surprised to see that he is still trying to spread the same message of superiority of his religion. This is the reason I decided to discuss and analyze one of his talks with available data so that his followers and other people also can decide themselves what is the truth.<br /><br />According to me, since it became available only DNA test is the most reliable method to solve parental claims, today one cannot rely totally on mother's statement (imagine people with multiple sexual partners, how can they decide?). Technique used in these cases has to be with minimum scope for human errors to be reliable and useful. I wish I can get a chance to discuss with him some of the issues he talks in his seminar...:) it will be definitely interesting experience. Please post the link about his talk on polyandry if you can find it. Thanks again.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-29678587135835850322012-05-12T10:55:45.105-04:002012-05-12T10:55:45.105-04:00I remember coming across this guy some years ago o...I remember coming across this guy some years ago on YouTube or something, and my take on this guy is same as yours. Interestingly the specific issue you are raising, that of polyandry, he has an argument against that too. His logic is that in case of polygamy the parentage of the child is not ambiguous (obviously he is assuming a completely "faithful" marriage, in the sense that the man can sleep with four women, but heaven forbid that any of the women sleep with anyone other than their legally wed husband), but in case of polyandry one can never be sure as to who the father is. This he says can raise problems, for example in case of a divorce, determining the custody of the child would become a huge problem. Which is why polyandry is not allowed according to him. Of course even if this argument was true, with modern technology like DNA analysis this should no longer be a problem. Of course he neglects to mention that. Even if for some reason DNA analysis was not available (I don't know why, let's say due to economic reasons or some obscure religious scripture he interprets to serve his purpose which no doubt he will), even then, based on your data, the practice of polygamy should be forsaken at least in countries where the gender ratio is in favor of men, as it happens to be India, in order that some men don't become "public property" due to further exacerbation of the problem due to polygamy. Somehow I don't think this chap will advocate that position, and I'm sure he will have another 15 or so verses to justify his position. The problem is that you are trying to fight his "beliefs" with your logic, that approach hardly ever works, even though your opponent pretends that his/her beliefs have a logical basis to them. The point is, what may have been logical 1400 years ago, might not be logical now (as you have correctly pointed out), fundamentalists (of any religion) frequently fail to realize that. It's best to ignore these demagogues and not give them any publicity.Suvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16176375231887343436noreply@blogger.com