tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post2947437770826012799..comments2024-02-27T10:13:43.437-05:00Comments on Self Realization: Bhagavad Gita-As it is or As it is NOTVinayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-69079189378359839582020-08-01T16:19:30.128-04:002020-08-01T16:19:30.128-04:00I completely agree with you vinay. I am just a 24 ...I completely agree with you vinay. I am just a 24 year old guy who doesnt have much knowledge about spirituality but i have seen first hand how iskon has just made a business in the name of bhakti. The geeta i knew was pure and devoid of any biases. Iskon in my college used to lure kids just in name of free food and accomodation. They even advised them to lie to their parents to go on their organised trips. They were never allowed to express themselves in the name of iskon rules. Guys who were good in studies left it mid way (though they were giving fees and all to hide it from their parents) in the name of bhakti and at later stages got confused about what to do in life. Sadly, a senior of mine named mridul who was the main iskon guy promoting iskon society in my college commited suicide because he couldnt face his parents failing in college, not being able to join his job and finally not getting his answers from iskon itself. Gods teaching lies in the essence of living life, observing your environment as it is the best gift god has given you. But sadly, in order to seek more we froget the simples gifts of life. Reading bhagwad gita just made my decision more firm that it is only a way towards self hatred and nothing else.Shekhar Jhanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-76845695099674529842019-10-02T11:17:33.223-04:002019-10-02T11:17:33.223-04:00This version of the Bhagavad-gita has it's con...This version of the Bhagavad-gita has it's contradictions. It was an enlightening experience reading it because the verses are pure but the comments on the verses were confusing sometimes. Then you really have to think about it. It is the commentary of someone's views and believes to the verses. Understand that when you read this you accept the verse to be the word of god and not the commentary on it. If you just blindly follow something without questioning it. (to say in short and not to be insulting to anyone...) Is just wrong. So I decided for my own clarification to read more unbiased translations to the verses which really helped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-71803057791646554512017-12-13T19:05:58.628-05:002017-12-13T19:05:58.628-05:00I agree with your views on this book.I agree with your views on this book.Shriramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01680308071194737673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-67294194607708696482015-02-16T19:19:18.500-05:002015-02-16T19:19:18.500-05:00Thanks for sharing your views. We all need to rais...Thanks for sharing your views. We all need to raise our voices whenever we see gender bias or stereotyping of particular gender or community or race. Silence many times is considered as silent approval thats why it is important to speak up. Thats why I thank again for raising your objection about such misogynist views.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-73804674709192729482015-02-15T01:29:17.479-05:002015-02-15T01:29:17.479-05:00I am a woman, and I find those teaching immensely ...I am a woman, and I find those teaching immensely offensive and destructive, and so do all of my family and friends. Thank you Vinay for your voice of sanity and all the good work you do. I can only pray people's hearts will speak to them and understand the harm being spread in these books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-78706769952051314112014-12-15T01:44:15.641-05:002014-12-15T01:44:15.641-05:00Hi Vinay.....
Thanks for your reply.....
It was ni...Hi Vinay.....<br />Thanks for your reply.....<br />It was nice interacting & sharing view with you.....<br />Take care & All the best.....<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-31470161469096902772014-12-12T11:20:26.503-05:002014-12-12T11:20:26.503-05:00Thanks again for your reply. I visited the web pag...Thanks again for your reply. I visited the web page mentioned in your comment it has many vague and unverified claims because it didn't give any scientific data or clinical trial data to prove that cow urine is effective in curing any known disease. If it is so effective then why it is not sold in drug stores with proper label like any other drug in the market? Why not to get FDA approval and launch such a useful multipurpose drug in world market so that everyone can benefit from it? After all if they have the data no one can reject it, so please let me know why they didnt do this?<br /><br />I have gone through most of the books which you mentioned in your comment and I found some of them with some useful content but most of them are quite dated and not very useful for me. None of them I found totally scientific. I love reading books and have read many inspiring books which helped me immensely but if I recommend any book read by me to others I understand that they may or may not like it as much I liked it and this is how it works. So I am glad that those books are useful to you but not for me. <br /><br />Scientist is not just a label or a profession but mainly it is a way of thinking. Anyone with scientific aptitude can be a scientist, they don't need any degree for that. I see many science graduates or even PhDs who lack scientific aptitude in their day to day life. They might be brilliant in their subject but somehow lack scientific aptitude. So once you accept anything without proper, verifiable and reproducible data you abandon your scientific aptitude and cease to exist as a scientist. There is nothing like science of god. God is a mythological entity and that is why it doesn't have any place in world of science, any true scientist will understand this and won't mix science with mythology. Thanks a lot again for sharing your views. <br /><br />http://selfrealization-vinay.blogspot.com/2014/11/mythology-is-not-science.htmlVinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-12930026017996798412014-12-11T00:38:37.858-05:002014-12-11T00:38:37.858-05:00Hi Vinay....sorry for late reply,I was quite busy....Hi Vinay....sorry for late reply,I was quite busy....<br />Since it is taught in your school days that trees have life doesn't mean that it is considered from time beginning. Trees were considered as non-living entities till Dr.Jagadish Chadra Bose discoverd it.(Refer Wikipedia for details)<br /><br />Reference for embryology is "Srimad Bhagavatam"(Canto-3, Chapter 31, Verse no. 2 to 27). Believe me I have personally read it & I have also read embryo development by Dr. Franklin P. Mall (who introduced the staging of human embryos in the year of 1914)<br /><br />You can purchase "Srimad Bhagavatam" which is available in all ISKCON temples.<br /><br />Vedas contain science in each & every field like astronomy, biology, physics, sociology etc. & also contain the science of god & our relation with god. If u read "Srimad Bhagavatam" then u will realize that the only depriving thing in the human society is God consciousness because of which there is suffering & for this reason only Prabhupada travelled all over the world spreading the message of Lord Krishna. He preached the message of Bhagavadgita, Bhagavatam & explained it in his books in simple language so that we can easily understand our lost relationship with krishna. Prabhupada was scholar in vedas knowing the science but instead of publishing papers in scientific journals, he preached the essence & purpose of human life for which only, vedas are meant for.<br /><br />Modern India has degraded in its social culture that is why we find no care, protection for cows instead we find cats & dogs. If no one is drinking cow urine, that doesn't reduce the benefits of cow urine. But you will find it in villages surely...I have seen it & I drink cow urine daily in mornig called as "Gomutra". Its benefit are amazing & approved by science (https://cowurinebenefit.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/cow-urine-benefits/)<br /><br />Please don't consider me as if I am against science or scientist.( For your information, I am an Electronics engineer.) I respect science & scientist both. The only problem is that scientists are making no effort in understanding the science of god & our relationship with god which is very well explained in the vedas like Bhagavadgita & Srimad Bhagavatam.<br />By reading your words, I think you have staunch faith in science & scientists. It is good. But have at least little faith in the vedas & read Bhagavadgita & Bhagavatam written by Prabhupada (recommending prabhupada books because easy to understand) which will help you to revive your lost relationship with krishna & thus putting an end to all sufferings which is the real purpose of human life & for which only the vedas are meant for.<br />Thank you.....Take Care.....<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-4313077419285355392014-11-20T14:11:32.465-05:002014-11-20T14:11:32.465-05:00can you cite the paper where scientists claim that...can you cite the paper where scientists claim that trees don't have life. From my school days I was taught in science that trees are living things, not only they have life but also they can sense the things. So please share a reliable reference to validate your claim. Thanks in advance for your efforts. <br /><br />Also please share the reference from Vedas where embryology was described in detail, even Dr. Zakir Naik claims that it is described in Quran but we all know it it a imaginary hypothesis. I wonder if vedas contain so much science why scholars of Vedas like Prabhupad couldn't make any path breaking scientific discovery and publish a paper in reputed scientific journal? For that matter why not any of major scientific discoveries came from land of vedas? Why we alwys wait for someone else to discover things and then pathetically try to claim that it was already mentioned in vedas. I don't see anyone now drinking cow urine even in India now, no modern homes in India use cow dunk to decorate their homes, may be you don't know this but as I visit India regularly I know these things. <br /><br />Senses are perfect they do what they are supposed to do but people are not perfect. Science can challenge anything and every thing thats the beauty of science and basic spirit of it, true scientist doesn't accept anything without reliable evidence and reproducible data no matter from which source it is coming. I hope you understand this basic principle of science, if you do you won't find odd scientists questioning vedas, Gita or any other book.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-23398044900831699082014-11-20T13:58:44.131-05:002014-11-20T13:58:44.131-05:00Thanks again for your comment, I object to the ver...Thanks again for your comment, I object to the very point that women are more prone to degradation than men. Do you or Prabhupad have any creditable or scientific evidence for this. Rather I see men easily brainwashed to become terrorists, blow themselves up to kill innocents but even after that I can't say that men are more prone to get brainwashed compared to women. Women should be always under protection against whom? Men, right...then who is more prone to degradation, women who get attacked or men who attack? I believe women and men both are equal and that is why I oppose any gender stereotype. <br /><br />I tried my best to read this book but page after page it was pouring venom against non believers, making some derogatory statements about women that I couldn't take it any more, as I wrote in my post translation is OK but purports are just horrible, too much hatred in it for a person like me to tolerate. But I am glad that you found this book useful. I am happy for you, this book is not for me. I do explore new dimensions of life every day, there are many books who help me in doing this.<br /><br />I attended many ISKON gatherings and talked with many people associated with it, they just don't have enough patience to listen to criticism or to answer difficult questions. They just brand you atheist or non believer if you question too much. Thanks for this advise but I already tried this and it didnt work. Again thanks for sharing your opinion. Take care and keep exploring.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-3920336902356239082014-11-18T08:26:21.711-05:002014-11-18T08:26:21.711-05:00Hi Vinay....In Bhagavadgita As It Is, prabhupada g...Hi Vinay....In Bhagavadgita As It Is, prabhupada gives the analogy of--hand,legs & stomach to explain that Krishna is the ultimate enjoyer (stomach) & our (all living souls) happiness lies in making Krishna happy.<br />Analogies are given for the purpose of clarification or to make reader understand the concept more easily by meaningful comparison.<br />Here obviously, this analogy is not given to claim the stomach more important than brain. It is just an analogy to make reader understand that Krishna is the ultimate enjoyer.<br /><br />It is a fact that we have imperfect senses...the senses are stated as imperfect because they are limited....With the limited senses, u r obviously getting the limited truth only.<br />It is your interpretation that u think scientists will get insulted by accepting the imperfectness of our senses. Scientists themselves also agree that they can not go beyond their limitations of senses or go beyond the limitations of a device which they invented to do research work. Where is the question of any kind of insult????<br />& on the other hand Vedic knowledge is not a kind of research work done by some scientists. They are the universal truths. So many scientists raised the question on this knowledge & its authenticity with their imperfect senses but they later accepted their defeat when they invented the devices that do research work beyond the limited/imperfect senses.<br /><br />For e.g- Before knowing the amazing facts & benefits of cow dung & cow urine through modern lab facilities, the scientists would laugh at Indians by seeing that Indians are drinking cow urine & using cow dung for decorating houses which is nothing but a stool & urine of a cow.<br />In vedic knowledge also, it is written that stool & urine of animals should not be touched but except a Cow.<br />The same scientists later with their so called advanced lab facilities found that there are amazing antiseptic benefits that can be derived from cow dung & cow urine.<br />Another example is--scientists claimed that trees don't have life but it is already stated in our vedic scriptures that trees also have lives. Later it is proved by scientists that trees also have lives.<br />The step by step growth of embryo in the womb of mother was already explained to greater extent in our vedic scriptures & later with the technology when the scientist studied it then it exactly matched what is already specified in our scriptures.<br />There are so many amazing facts in our vedic scriptures which gives clear understanding & perfect knowledge in all the areas.<br />Prabhupada was never against scientists, they are surely contributing towards the society. But if they challenge the authenticity of vedic scriptures with their imperfect senses, then they themselves will get insulted in future....<br />Plz read BhagavadGita-As It Is completely....& discuss ur opinions & doubts by visiting ur nearest iskcon centre....because it is difficult to convey someone or clarify someone's doubts through such writings.....<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-60864397003798790852014-11-18T06:28:32.473-05:002014-11-18T06:28:32.473-05:00Hi Vinay....The purpose behind practicing the proc...Hi Vinay....The purpose behind practicing the process to achieve the perfection of human life is not to become a perfect human. It is to revive our lost relationship with the Supreme Lord,Krishna.<br />I am quite sure that u have not read Bhagavadgita As It Is, completely. Any person who reads Bhagavadgita As It Is even once, will immediately understands Who is he? Who is God? What is his relationship with God? & the most amazing part- How to revive that lost relationship with God (the perfection of life) devoid of which one suffers in one's life? <br /><br />Bhagavadgita written by Prabhupada is titled as "As It Is", & u can realize this very easily because u will find no other purpose behind his purports/commentary given on Bhagavadgita, which takes a person away from understanding God & his relationship with God.<br />You read different Bhagavadgitas available in the market & also read Bhagavadgita As It Is by prabhupada & then realize.<br /><br />Prabhupada had not written that- Women are wrong. Don't misinterpret it as the hatred to the women class when it is said that women are less intelligent. The term intelligence is not used in terms of understanding the topics & concepts of educational studies. Whereas it is written because women can be allured & taken into faith by using flowery words glorifying their beauty (few % women in the metro cities can be exception to this, but i am talking about the majority of women). Infact men use such techniques to misuse them. Therefore it is stated in Bhagavadgita As It Is that- women are more prone to degradation & women should be always under protection.<br />& also one thing we can not deny that generally men are much stronger than women PHYSICALLY. Hence women must be given sufficient protection. It is not the restriction to the freedom of women. It is for their safety only.<br />Both men & women are best at their own place. Infact prabhupada has welcomed all classes of men & women in his society ISKCON. He has not put any restriction to any class based on sexuality, nation, cast, colour, religion etc. He has distributed the message of Bhagavadgita equally to everyone during his lifetime & now his disciples are carrying out his mission in his absence today.<br />Please read BhagavadGita-As It Is completely....I am sure you will definitely explore yourself to the newer dimensions of life.....<br />In case of any doubts, plz go to ur nearest ISKCON center & discuss ur opinions, doubts....because I personally feel that it is very difficult to convey someone or to clarify someone's doubts through such writings in blogs.....Happy Reading.....Take care.....<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-85643668573221792932014-11-14T13:32:11.882-05:002014-11-14T13:32:11.882-05:00Thanks a lot for sharing your views on this topic....Thanks a lot for sharing your views on this topic. Sharing my opinions in form of blog is not just a hobby but is my way of contributing something towards society. I share the ideas and my opinions on various issues via this blog. I am glad that you found the way of life which you want to live in Prabhupad's books and are following it but I didn't and I think I am not the only one there are many who are living wonderful live without even knowing that Prabhupad or his book even exists. I don't agree that the real essence of human life & practice the process to achieve the perfection of human life...we are not perfect that is why we are humans, there is nothing called perfect human, if at all they are they only exist in books.<br /><br />I only wrote about the part of book which I have read and understood, if you find there is something wrong with my understanding or if you don't agree with opinion expressed in blog you are free to disagree and present your own counter opinion, I would be interested in reading it. Thanks for sharing the website, actually I remember it visiting in past during my research about ISKON. I hope at lest some people will find it useful as it was of very limited use for me. Thanks again for sharing your views and as I said I will be interested in reading why you think that views which I expressed about Probhupad's opinion about women are wrong. Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-88777951363343832152014-11-14T08:42:49.654-05:002014-11-14T08:42:49.654-05:00Hi Vinay...you have given ur opinions on so many s...Hi Vinay...you have given ur opinions on so many subject matters...i have read some of them....regarding religion,science,krishna,bhagavadgita,god etc.<br />The point i want to ask u is that---Are ur opinion writings- regarding god, bhagavdgita,religion etc, is just a hobby or u r really seeking the purpose of religion, purpose of human life???<br />If its just a hobby,then i don't want to comment anything, but if u r really seeking the essence....then let me try to help u----><br />The Bhagavadgita As It Is-written by srila prabhupada is definitely a perfect guide for humanity...<br />Its really difficult to convey & discuss the topics of it through such writings....<br />but please visit this website & ask ur questions related to bhagavadgita, prabhupada etc.---http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/<br />Life is short....& nobody knows when it is going to end....the time which u have with u----don't spend it by simply giving opinions....<br />Realize the essence of human life & practice the process to achieve the perfection of human life...<br />The way u have given opinions on prabhupada's writing....i wish u could have understood his instructions & followed it....<br />anyways i hope u will go through the website....& will get ur all questions answered....<br />Thanks....hope writing opinions on different topics is not just ur hobby....& u r really seeking the purpose of human life....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-37094043609076932242014-11-14T08:15:50.277-05:002014-11-14T08:15:50.277-05:00Hi Vishnu....please think over whatever i m going ...Hi Vishnu....please think over whatever i m going to say.....<br />Everybody in this world, is trying to enjoy....but the point is to what extent & is everybody enjoying really????<br />you had not decided the nation, country, city & family while taking birth.....you had been forced to take birth, in particular family..... & hence you have got ample of opportunities to grow in ur life...economically,socially,financially etc.....<br />While on the other hand......there r some people who have taken birth in some African countries where they r striving to have a grain to fill up their belly.....or have taken birth in the areas like taliban, pakistan where there is always anxiety in keeping one's own life safe.....<br />So....the point is.....don't say---"we enjoy"....whereas say---"we are given the opportunities to enjoy".....<br />We are not the decision maker while taking birth....plz ask this question to urself.....Why u have not taken birth in some poor family,nation...????<br />In the mood of enjoyment....it is really difficult to think over the miseries of life....& hence often in the sense of pride....we refuse the acceptance of the god....<br />now, the point is what r the miseries of life.....is it---a birth in poor family or being jobless, not having loving relationships, or what????<br />the definition of misery is---that which nobody wants but is forced to accept it....& these are--Birth,Old age, disease & death.... <br />& the real enjoyment starts when we stop these miseries......The Bhagavadgita As It Is---written by Srila Prabhupada is a perfect guidance to the humanity to escape these miseries & to enjoy the never ending life of enjoyment & bliss with the supreme lord krishna....<br />these things might appear for u very new.....since u haven't gone through this book....so before commenting on Prabhupada & boldly confessing as an atheist.....plz read this book once....<br />now the point is----why prabhupada is accepted as scholar????.....because he has given the purports which makes us easily understand the purpose of human life.....& explains how to achieve this perfection.....<br />Its very easy to comment on someone.....but have u tried to follow his instructions.....<br />Lets take an analogy....u have fallen sick & u have gone to doctor.....& after examining u,,,,,,doctor prescribed u some medicines to regain the health.......but instead of taking medicines, if u argue with the doctor regarding the authenticity of medicines....u can argue up to certain limit but at the end u have to try the medicines to gain ur health back.....<br />similarly....if u really want to comment on prabhupada....first try to understand his writings, follow it.....I m quite sure that u will realize so many amazing things of the precious human life......<br />Read it once....if u have any doubts, ask them on http://www.thespiritualscientist.com/ ....<br />The Society ISKCON founded by Srila Prabhupada, is trying to spread the medicine for getting out of the real miseries of life---birth, old age, disease & death.....to enjoy the blissful & ever enjoying life with the supreme lord krishna with whom we have our eternal relationship.<br />All ur questions will get answered just read--Bhagavadgita As It Is---written by srila prabhupada.....<br />Now....regarding children....u decide who are the real parents????<br />1. One who allows his child to enjoy the life (that too the opportunity to enjoy is given) , forgetting the real miseries of life.<br />2. or the one who makes his child understand the real miseries of life & teaches him to get out of it & enjoy the never ending blissful life with the supreme lord krishna.....<br />Decision is yours....<br />Thanks....hope u make an effort to get rid of real miseries......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-77564821468383539152013-07-26T14:45:01.996-04:002013-07-26T14:45:01.996-04:00Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I agree wi...Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you about sectarian and dictatorial nature of most of cult movements, they all try to scare people rather than educate them. Religious fanaticism is on the rise because more and more people are questioning their hypothesis and methodology. Most of them say that it's OK to ask questions but they don't like if the questioner starts questioning their basic principles. We need to confront fanaticism of any type wherever we see it and this blog is one small step in that direction. Thanks again for visiting the blog and keep on sharing your views.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-85754359870340543022013-07-26T10:33:53.892-04:002013-07-26T10:33:53.892-04:00Thanks Vinay for your comments. You are speaking m...Thanks Vinay for your comments. You are speaking my mind, because I have had exactly the same impression of Prabhupada's books and teachings he propagates. I also find them too biased and sectarian and in no way they represent the Gita as it is. However, I should note that I am not against Lord Krishna nor His true and sincere devotees, nor against Bhagavad Gita as it REALLY is as opposed to some narrow-minded cult pushing its own sectarian agenda which has little to do with real spirituality and despite their constant claim of "bringing people closer to God" in fact distancing people away from Him and ruining people's lives all over the world! I am not against the real religion of surrendering oneself to God, I am only against religious fanaticism and destructive teachings. I guess that if Lord Krishna came to this earth again, he would be embarrassed by many of these so-called "devotees". Many of the "karmis" who are sincere would be much closer to Him than many of these sectarian, fanatical and extremely narrow-minded cultists. Frodo Bagginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550934408398403969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-62566783477031828992013-04-30T09:38:40.957-04:002013-04-30T09:38:40.957-04:00here is another link worth visiting,
http://break...here is another link worth visiting,<br /><br />http://breaking-free.info/Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-58768217331924128342013-04-29T21:20:57.950-04:002013-04-29T21:20:57.950-04:00Thanks a lot for sharing this link, it is really i...Thanks a lot for sharing this link, it is really interesting read and I recommend people who are interested in knowing more about ISKON movement visit this link, not that I am endorsing views expressed by author there but I want readers to know both sides of coin before forming any opinions. I have very limited experience with ISKON but whatever I saw there and experienced I immediately realized that its not for me. Thanks again for sharing this on blog, I am sure many readers will find this interesting.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-2598749490010454152013-04-29T18:38:01.037-04:002013-04-29T18:38:01.037-04:00Everything straight from the horse's mouth, so...Everything straight from the horse's mouth, so to say:<br /><br />http://kuruvinda.com/hindsight.aspx#A36<br /><br />Lists almost every bizarre and objectionable idea and utterance of ACBS and offers links to a detailed analysis of his ademant misconceptions of the moon landings, his financial support of his family while being a sannyasi, and his misuse of the Manu Samhita to put women in their place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-1978522808463064582012-11-25T20:37:52.290-05:002012-11-25T20:37:52.290-05:00Thanks Mayur for your comments...what do you mean ...Thanks Mayur for your comments...what do you mean by 'true theist'??? can you please elaborate this little more. Submissive and humble?? do you mean not asking any question or expressing any doubts??<br /><br />[[What shall we gain by expressing "our" opinions if they are not authorised by God (who is the Absolute Authority)]]<br /><br />authorized by God?? can you show me a single text or opinion which carries any signature (or any other mark) which indicates that it is authorized by God. I know that there are many books which claim that they are authorized by God (and there are many)...so which ones you think are true...all of them or the some selected one which you think are true???Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-13217803420316599952012-11-23T08:04:13.377-05:002012-11-23T08:04:13.377-05:00Any one who is not a true theist cannot fully unde...Any one who is not a true theist cannot fully understand Bhagavad-gita "As it is". At least we have to try to understand it by being submissive and humble, not by presuming that we know everything. You may have "freedom" in one sense but you have no authority to express whatever you like, Vinay, although no one in this country can prevent you! What shall we gain by expressing "our" opinions if they are not authorised by God (who is the Absolute Authority). Material logical arguments, however brilliant and esoteric they may be, can never prove (come to a true conclusive understanding) anything about God, although the conclusive truth may always exist for eternity.LivingEntityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14068166506812605421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-63148624009802900022012-05-02T10:54:22.962-04:002012-05-02T10:54:22.962-04:00contd.
[What are you talking about? I had already...contd.<br /><br />[What are you talking about? I had already understood what your blog was about. Otherwise I would not have posted all the corrections]<br /><br />I am glad that you understood what the blog was about. There is difference between corrections and comments, don't be so over confident that whatever you say is correct and others should accept it without any consideration or analysis or protest. You posted your 'COMMENTS' which you think are 'corrections'. Comments and corrections are totally different things. I dont think I have to explain this to you. You can post your comments any time and they are always welcome, but if you want to correct something then please post them with some logic and evidence and I assure you that if they are true they will definitely be accepted.<br /><br />Thanks again.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-42029067530432313622012-05-02T10:52:42.416-04:002012-05-02T10:52:42.416-04:00and now my reply to it..:)
I thanked you for your...and now my reply to it..:)<br /><br />I thanked you for your comments many times, is there anything wrong in that. I am totally fine with criticism I already explained my views about criticism, once again please read all my replies to your comments before mentioning same things again and again. <br />I know what I asked from my readers and thank them for every comment and also for visiting my blog. I try my best to acknowledge each comment and also answers all questions and concerns of my readers. I think by now you understand this.<br /><br />I already said many many times, I don't mind criticism and if you are correcting me then at least show some proof or back your opinion with some logic, just shouting 'you are wrong and I am right' again and again won't help.<br /><br />I am willing to learn right things which are proposed to me with some logic or proof. I am always willing to listen to others point of view but that doesn't mean I will agree with all of them. As a science student I have learned to accept the facts if they are backed up with solid evidence or logic and I don't think you even tried to do that in your arguments. <br /><br />[[by not willing to understand simple facts you are in effect saying “I am GREAT and RIGHT”.]]<br /><br />What simple facts you are talking about? Is it 'You are all RIGHT and I am all WRONG?' It seems you love to have 'your own facts' and think that others should accept it without any complain. I don't think like that, I don't have my own facts, I go by simple logic. I think I already told you this.<br /><br />I am not dismissing your explanations, I am questioning them and putting my point of view. You may be right in your point of view when you believe Prabhupad's opinion that "Women are more prone to degradation" I don't have any problems with that but I don't agree with that so I believe I have right to question it and put my point of view which is different than his. I am simply doing that.<br /><br />Whenever you are accusing me (or anyone) for being wrong please provide some conclusive evidence or some rationale.<br /><br />Prove my mistake and I have no problem in correcting them. But please don't try to 'force' your beliefs and assumptions on others.<br /><br />Yes, I do agree wherever I see a valid point and I have done that at many places in comment section. I don't feel surprised that you noticed it for the first time as you don't read them properly before rushing next dose of your beliefs on blog. <br /><br />Let me know how the changes which I made (title change and including one sentence in the beginning) affected your reply. The content and intent of blog remained same, I wonder what was the change which affected your reply, I am curious. I already explained my stand about changes on blog in my reply to related comment, please read it.<br /><br />[No. You are not doing what I am doing. They are two separate things. You invited us to make comments on things we saw wrong in your post. Well lets hope you understand that much.]<br /><br />What are you talking about here? I explained the reason why you found the post pointing only negatives from the book. Yes, I invited readers to comment on blog, so? Whats your point here? You are expressing your opinion and I am mine, lets hope you understand that much.<br /><br />[defence and dismissive is the same thing.]<br /><br />Great thought man...keep going...both words start with 'D' that doesn't mean they have same meaning..:) check the dictionary...<br /><br />contd.Vinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9116259194112701133.post-56460281128158317662012-05-02T09:04:05.892-04:002012-05-02T09:04:05.892-04:00Here is comment by Anonymous I was talking about w...Here is comment by Anonymous I was talking about which didn't get posted on blog, I am reproducing it as it is,<br /><br />Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Bhagadvad Gita-As it is or As it is NOT..":<br /><br />[[I really appreciate efforts you are taking in criticizing my blog.]]<br /><br />Its not criticism.<br />I am merely writing what you have asked from all your readers.<br />LOOK –you say<br /><br />[[If I am wrong please correct me, I am always willing to learn and correct my mistakes.]]<br />[[If I am wrong please correct me, I am always willing to learn and correct my mistakes.]]<br /><br />So now you are feeling bad when we correct you and you call it criticism.<br /><br />If you are willing to learn then you would have understood what I have written so far was merely to explain how you have continually been posting wrong views and thinking and opinions.<br /><br /><br />[[I never said that 'I am right' and also never said that 'you are wrong'..]]<br />by not willing to understand simple facts you are in effect saying “I am GREAT and RIGHT”.<br /><br /><br />[[[You seem to believe that if someone says that I am wrong then immediately I should agree to him/her and accept their opinion without explaining my side to them...great man..I don't except me, you or anyone to do that.]]]<br /><br />So now you are just dismissing our explanations. You have not even said wheter the explanations I gave made sense or not. All you do is pick and choose which words or sentence I have written and focus on that.<br />The detailed explanations I gave you just dismiss.<br /><br />These are not criticism but only correcting your ways.<br />Remember you say<br />[[If I am wrong please correct me, I am always willing to learn and correct my mistakes.]]<br /><br /><br />Now I dotn have anymore time on this topic which is exhausted I should say.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />[[The changes you are talking about were done before any comment was posted on blog, but your concerns are legitimate and let me know if you see me doing this anytime in future.]]<br /><br />Wow you actually agree I am right.<br /><br />I had already stated writing my reply to your post by copying and pasting your post to my word doc (as it was more convenient to do so).<br />Then as I came to post my reply I suddenly found changes.<br />So you see the fact that I had not posted the reply makes no difference because I had already started my reply.<br /><br />Anyway I hope you wont do that in the future.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />[[[[don't you think I am doing the same thing and you criticized me for writing the negative and bad things about the book. I clearly mentioned that this post is about what I think are objectionable parts of book and you are continuously blaming me for being negative, anti Prabhupad and what not. I approached the same method to write the post. It was ONLY about some parts of the book which 'I' found objectionable and wanted to know what other people (my blog readers) think about it.]]]<br /><br />No. You are not doing what I am doing. They are two separate things. You invited us to make comments on things we saw wrong in your post.<br />Well lets hope you understand that much.<br /><br /><br /><br />[[defense to my points]]<br />defence and dismissive is the same thing.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />[[Finally you got it, that entire blog is about few purports from the book, not entire book or not about Bhagavad Gita or not about Prabhupad or criticizing him...thanks man I didn't know that it was that difficult to understand.]]<br /><br />What are you talking about? I had already understood what your blog was about.<br />Otherwise I would not have posted all the corrections.<br /><br /><br /><br />Posted by Anonymous to Self Realization at April 30, 2012 5:49 PMVinayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01809381214735615158noreply@blogger.com